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Many times on dA have I visited a photograph with a plus-size model to read comments along the lines of "Jeez, why can't this model take care of herself? Get on the treadmill." Alongside are the comments of "Well, it's nice to finally see a REAL woman represented on dA!"

Also, many times I have visited a photograph with a thin model, and in reading the comments I come across things such as "Real women don't look like that, stop starving yourself and eat once in awhile." As well as comments expressing admiration for being able to see "tone and slight bone structure."

So here is my proposition. I would like everyone to view the photos below, feel free to leave respectful critique on the works or on this article, but think on these things while doing so:

Is under-eating really a better health choice than overeating? Both are extremes.

What constitutes a real woman as far as body type? Is a woman who is genetically predisposed to being thin less of a woman than the one who is predisposed to being more curvaceous?

*I am not trying to express an opinion about either, in writing this article I just want to try to promote open and healthy discussion, and keep my opinion to myself.

And now the photos;


Naomi by syntheticshadows :thumb53030777:

:thumb53837249: Me by feedeeof3 above average 1 by scorn27

Cocoon by mockingbird-girl :thumb25497917: Miss Superheroine 01 by ostanine

Empress by MissShyly Clarity Received by arachnid15 :thumb33422554:

Forget the days gone by.. by Shereja Solitaire by MissShyly





Ribs by fjuk Isabelle by Feebrile green dress in black n white2 by janissette

Shes Got Everything by retrodiva88 dance by mathildadreamer No Tomorrow by rjcarroll

Life by ModelKaitlinLara Le Chat Saute by Mfenberg Ann. 2006 by bakhvalov

Evening troubles .4 by kMoOg Look Once To Me.And Look Away4 by hakanphotography Love by Rilrae

Piano by beddy Stary rusky by ennil pat by bubble-gum-heart
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Forcedlactationlover Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Although I tend to fall toward the larger extreme, I'm not really fond of any of these shots. None of the heavier women is very attractive, by my take, and with only one exception, the skinny women are no better off. Unhealthy is bad, fat or thin.
I have seen, both live and in photos, women towards the extremes who look really very attractive, but they are, in the literal meaning of the word, exceptional. So far as that goes, so are most so-called beauties. Beauty is, almost by definition, exceptional. Good health should not be. And neither extreme overweight nor anorexia are what I would call 'healthy'. Both have their attendant dangers, which I would wish on no-one.
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RokotheFA Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2010
so true, great news
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spligity Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2009  Student General Artist
very inspiring, it's nice that you took the time to contemplate this matter.
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Booicide Featured By Owner May 17, 2009
To be honest I dislike both extremes. But no I am not judging, and I myself am one of the extremes. (Large.) But some of us just can't help it, for example... I simply love to eat. And some people despise eating...

And about beauty to do with it, it is purely preference, I've met people who've breathed a sigh of relief that I'm 'average' and not skinny. Also, I've met people who have been repulsed by me.

Either way, I think you should accept someone for who and what they are... as cliché as it is... it's right.
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tachikoma71 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2009
It's alll about preference... I prefer curvy,full bodied women. I love ,adore and worship all bbws/bbbws/and ssbbbws. Their thickness is my weakness.
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MAFFia-WAFFLes Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2008
This is a wonderful article you have set up here! I really agree with how tasteful and unbiased you have presented the point and the featured photos are great to reveal the best of both worlds. Beauty comes from the ablity to be happy with the way you are and the way in which you present yourself. People how photograph themselves should be aplauded for sharing their beauty and their pride with the world.

Thank you for this lovely piece. I hoped it opened certain people's eyes to more than what they coild originally see :)
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maketheVoicesSTOP Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2008
This is a great article. Personally, I find plus-size models very brave, especially artistic nude models of said size because they are baring themselves to a public over-ridden by the media's view of what is the ideal body.

I think, overall it is in within the individual's health, no matter what the size. As humans, we look for the best mate that suits our wants, needs and matches are 'baggage'. Therefore, it does not matter what size a woman is because either way, they will be beautiful in someone's eyes.

This article I think conveys this message.
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mizdestiny Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I strongly agree, and a very well presented article. I have to add that many larger models are still beautiful, with incredibly pretty faces but i usually think emaciated models look desperately needy and unhappy. :strip:

I dont have a preference, im curvy and unbiased (i hope i sound as convincing as I am convinced...) :pray: lol
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tishidelishi Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2008
Love it!

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Bnspyrd Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2008  Professional General Artist
Great article! Thankyou for writing and sharing it. :heart:
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xXBulmaXx Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2007
Very good article. In my oppinion, size doesn't have anything to do with beauty. You can be beautiful wether you're big, small or somewhere inbetween. The important thing is that you're happy with how you look and how you feel. Some people are born thin, and some people are born big. You can't tell by a person's body type or BMI alone wether they need to "get on the treadmill" or "stop starving themselves". I think that when you feel good about your body, you're just perfect, and that everyone is beautiful in their own way, no matter the size, sex or age.
About people leaving angry comments. How pathetic can a person get? On YouTube I have a video where I jokingly claim two male cartoon characters to be gay. You should've seen what people call me! I even get death threats. People who can be so hateful towards others with a different size, sexuality or anything like that obviously have problems. I just feel sorry for them that they don't have anything better to do with their lives. Sorry for the long comment! ^^;
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PorcelainPoet Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2007
Really well done on this article, I absolutely love your perspective on it...

I've also noticed that both body types are both looked down upon as well as admired... so really there's no right or wrong in the matter.

You just feel what you feel about it and that's that I suppose.

I do think that it's okay to be either way, because that's just who you are you know? And either way you should try and love your body for what it is. Although I do think it's extremely sad when women starve themselves. It's so self destructive.
And yet some people still find that frailty beautiful. I know I've favourited photos depicting both extreme body types. Even ones where the model is almost emaciated, but because they've made art out of it, not because I necessarily approve.

Anyways, nice features and well done showing the contrast.
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Cocktales Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2007
really good on, heart it!

feat it in my journal :)

everyone wants to be beautiful...thinner and rounder people....ist just more "excapted" to see a thin girl naked then a rounder one...and this mindthing should be changed....
i can be beautiful too...no matter if i am thin or fat...and i am really not thin, haha...
and a thin girl can be beautiful too for me...it is her body, her expression...she likes it as the way it is...like i like my boy :)

so thanks dude for this great article..
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2007
Thanks very much, I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

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ohfatty Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2007
Thank you for bringig up that matter and thank you for featuring one of my pics. :hug:
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2007
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Bountiful Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2007
I think beauty is something each person sees differently.
People need to realize that being "heavy" doesn't automatically make you unhealthy just as being "thin" doesn't make you automatically healthy.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2007
Thank you very much for your insightful comment, as well as the feature of this article.

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Bountiful Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2007
You are welcome, it was brought to my attention by one of our members.
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Gildir Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
Hey. We here have a saying that fine woman needs to have something to be touched. Fine woman needs to have curves. But if your both hands cannot hold it, it's way too much :D
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
Is that a Slovakian saying?


Thank you for adding to the discussion.

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Gildir Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007
Slovakian, slavik, communistic, capitalistic, populistic or artistic ... I do not really know or care. But it is true. That's for sure.
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Fely Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
Well, people think they're allowed to judge women's bodies because obviously women are public property. So when there's a female everyone is allowed to rate her, use her and fuck (with) her. Didn't you know?
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kitty77cat Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
I want to become a plus sized model. But do not know how to go about it. I wish everyone could learn to love us big girls we really are goreous and I am so sick of being put down.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
Thank you for adding input to this article.

As far as the dA community, I believe there are several groups there to put up models for photographers to use.

Also, a lot of the artists featured in this article are very active, I'm sure if you wrote to them they would have some tips of the trade for you, and maybe you could even set up a shoot.
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kitty77cat Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
Thank you but I need some one in canada!
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boxedphotos Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007   Photographer
Thank you bringing this into the for front and using some of my images to do it with...
In my opinion is that a "Real" woman is happy in her skin and doesn't give a shit what everybody else looks like or what they think of them.
We all try to be that person some more then others.
Great news article!
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
I'm so glad you enjoyed the article, thank you for the thumbs up!

Various individuals concepts of 'real' women fascinate me. I've heard so many definitions from so many people, so I thank you for sharing yours both with me and with the community.
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MissShyly Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
I have gotten so many of the really violently nasty comments, that it takes a lot to phase me at this point. A previous responder asked how other people handle it. I choose to leave the comments visible. I think it would be cheap of me, somehow, to only leave the positive responses viewable by those who come later. Let them see that dozens - maybe hundreds - of people on dA have viewed my work and made "free willy" references, or asked what their eyes ever did to me to deserve such abuse, or commented that I make them throw up and that I am disgusting and should die. The hate that is directed my way is rather phenomenal. (To be fair, the kindness outweighs it significantly, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

I am often accused of "glorifying obesity." (See my most recent journal for more thoughts on that.) It makes me laugh, because I have never glorified anything, except maybe the outlandish idea that human beings should be treated with basic decency, regardless of what they look like.

It just doesn't seem like so much to ask, to me.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
Thank you very much for taking the time to write a comment that I'm sure will spark some new thought processes for people.

I think it's very brave of you to leave those comments up, and more than that shows good strength of character and confidence. I know of some people on dA who don't produce artwork that seems to cause some type of controversy, but if someone mentions not liking their lighting, editing, et cetera, they will hide the comment out of insecurity.

Your gallery was very creative and unique, regardless of model choices. It was hard not to share many more of your works with the community in this article, because many on top of many were extremely well executed.
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Halohid Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
Fabulous article.

Usually I find the dA community incredibly respectful and supportive. The only time when they was not the case was when I posted and image of a plus sized model. The comment came almost instantly declaring that I had made the commenter throw up. I stared at the screen in horror for some minutes before deleting the message. I don't believe my model should have to see that sort of comment. I would be very interested to know how other people handle this sort of thing. I did not reply and just tried to pretend it had never happened.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
I'm so glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for your story.

I'm not sure a lot of people who make nonconstructive comments on pieces - not critiquing the lighting or angle or other such artistic aspects, but simply the body of the model, think about the fact that they could be hurting a real person.

Some also, might simply not care, but I'd like to think that's not usually the case.

On the same note, sometimes photographers choose a model with a certain body type to make a statement about it. When this happens they generally mention it in the "Artists comments" section, and hopefully the model is aware of the intent of the photograph. I've found that with these type of photographs people tend to say the same type of things, but more respectfully. I'm not sure why it can't transfer over to all types of pieces.
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syntheticshadows Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Professional Photographer
thanks so much for selecting one of my photos to accompany such a thoughtful write-up! :D I'm honored.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
You're welcome! And I'm so glad you've enjoyed the article.


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sollena Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Professional Photographer
thanks for featuring
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
You're welcome of course.
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soundlessw Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Student Writer
In my oppinion, I think the constuants of a real, good human being are whether or not they're healthy. People die from obesity and people die from anarexia, personally, I think the reason obesity and anarexia are displeasing to the public is because healthiness is atractive, and all of that boils down to the primal chracteristics and intstincts of all humans. Who is the healthiest, safest person for me to have a family with? But I do not say that we do not have a choice to do with our lives what we so please, that too is what makes us human. And you also mentioned women who are purely genetically meant to be thin or overweight, again, I think for me, it is a matter of health not appearance.

I really appreciate the article though, and I fully support the conversation! If someone has sumin to say to me, say it.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
Thank you for taking the time to write out such an articulate and respectful response to this article, the point of the article was to have people express themselves the way you have, and I appreciate it :heart:
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soundlessw Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Student Writer
:)
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czarne-witraze Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
great article :heart:
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
Thank you very much!
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Wodanislav Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007   Photographer
Very good article ! Hope it'll get some people to start thinking a bit more.
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delilahrocket Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
Thank you, I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
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